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Tiers/Categories of Urology residencies

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007dabomb	Tiers/Categories of Urology residencies		Lead	[-]
Posts: 5 03/19/08 13:22:38	Tags : None How can I find the tiering of different programs. does someone have a list???
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UMUser	open	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2598 03/19/08 13:32:36	Can of worms -> open
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UMUser		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2600 03/19/08 15:44:55	Have you tried looking at posts for previous years? This topic is all over this site. It's not that helpful though. Just a bunch of folks talking of things they know little about. There is no official "list" of "top tier" programs, just people's opinions.
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UMUser		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2645 04/10/08 01:30:35	Simplify things. -Think of all the programs as one of two types: Research-heavy or the rest. If you are a top notch student with research pubs, super high Step 1, AOA type, etc then look into the former group which is easily attainable... Mayo, Vanderbilt, etc. The exact tiered list is not important and that is what puts all these poster's undies in a bunch. Just think of the group as a pool of programs. If you are not, then just select your top programs from your personal experiences, location, word of mouth, # residents/year, etc.
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jagerbreath		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 20 04/29/08 15:43:54	if you have a grip of pubs and good letters from the senior authors of those pubs then apply to the research-oriented programs no matter what your scores were. you will get some takers.
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Posts: 2673 04/29/08 15:54:34	Unscientific ranking based on the voluntary anonymous report number of applicants that ranked the program anywhere on their match list and the number of applicants that ranked the program #1 in 2006 (just to give you a general idea, not etched in stone or anything): 1 Baylor 2 Vanderbilt 3 CCF 4 U Michigan 5 Mayo-Rochester 6 Cornell 7 Northwestern 8 U Washington 9 U Texas-Southwestern 10 UCLA 11 Iowa 12 U Wisconson 13 Indiana 14 Kansas 15 UCSF 16 Wm Beaumont 17 Hopkins 17 Utah 19 Lahey 19 NYU 21 Loyola 22 Colorado 23 Emory 24 Stanford 24 Wash U St. Louis 26 SUNY-Downstate 27 Mayo-Scottsdale 28 U Pennsylvania 28 UC Irvine 30 MC Wisconsin 31 Southern Illinois 32 Duke 33 UMDNJ-RWJ 34 Kaiser LA 34 Mass General 34 Medical U S Carolina 34 Mt. Sinai 34 U Minnesota 39 USC 40 U Rochester 40 U Virginia 42 U Texas-Houston 43 Alabama 44 Northeastern Ohio U 45 Wake Forest 46 U Chicago 46 U Florida 46 U Illinois-Chicago 49 Columbia 50 Loma Linda 50 U Tennessee-Memphis 52 U Connecticut 53 Albany 53 George Washington 53 LSU-Oschner 53 MC Georgia 53 MC Virginia 53 U Texas-San Antonio 53 USF 60 Harvard-Brigham 61 UCSD 62 U Maryland 62 UMDNJ-New Jersey 64 SUNY-Buffalo 65 Oregon 65 U Mississippi 67 U Pittsburgh 68 Boston University 68 Einstein 68 Henry Ford 68 Ohio State 72 U Texas-Galveston 73 Brown 73 Medical U Ohio 75 Washington Hosp DC 76 Case Western 76 U Miami 76 U Oklahoma 79 EVMS 80 Beth Isreal 80 Georgetown 80 Hershey 80 Jefferson 80 Kentucky 80 Nebraska 80 New York Med 80 SUNY-Syracuse 80 Temple 80 Tulane 80 U Cincinnati 80 U Massachusetts 80 U Missouri 80 U New Mexico 80 U North Carolina 80 UC Davis 80 Wayne State 97 Arizona 97 Mayo-Jacksonville 97 Rush Chicago 100 St. Louis University 101 Arkansas 101 Brookdale 101 Dartmouth 101 Geisinger 101 Lenox Hill 101 Long Island Jewish 101 LSU-Shreveport 101 Maimonides 101 Scott and White 101 SUNY-Stony Brook 101 U Tennessee-Knoxville 101 West Virginia 101 Yale
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UMUser	Re:	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2674 04/29/08 17:40:58	Quite the random list. Programs vary year to year and to say (excluding a dozen programs or so) what was strong in 2006 will be strong in 2009 is a stretch. Ultimately, each program will provide you the opportunity to develop the knowledge base and skills necessary to pursue a career in academic urology or to enter a private practice; that is the purpose behind accreditation. The decsion for most people comes down to location, personality, program emphasis (clinical/research). Apply broadly and see for yourself. Last Edited By: UMUser 04/29/08 19:11:27. Edited 1 time.
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Posts: 2677 04/30/08 11:20:34	the only person who knows anything is someone who actually was a resident in two different programs, or happens to have a best friend at another program who can give them the real dirt. those people are rare, and even if you find them, they can only tell you about those specific programs. nobody knows what peoples actual case loads are, and i've never seen a list anywhere, and no pd or chair is going to show you that list. everyone says "we are in the 50th percentile" or "we are well above the 50% percentile." nobody is ever below the 50th percentile. you'll also never know how much residents actually participated in those cases. the only people to listen to are chief residents in a specific program, if you deem them trustworthy, since they've basically been through the whole program. don't listen to another m4 because they don't know anything and won't realize how little they knew until after their intern year.
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UMUser	case list	#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2678 04/30/08 22:14:44	When I interviewed two years ago, a chief resident showed me his case list and gave me this advice: A resident can print out his own case list. This list is what you're interested in. Wherever you interview, you should ask the resident if you could see their list. It worked. I asked chiefs at different places if I could see their list to get a good idea of their actual numbers.
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Gerota		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 18 05/01/08 12:26:40	case lists dont reflect anything. at some programs a PD will sometimes make you log a case as surgeon you stood and watched/retracted Clinical volume is important, not just operative volume. Once you do 50 of X procedures, doing another 150 doesnt help you as much as you would think. Performing 200 cystectomies during residency does not help you for private practice- especially since high volume surgeons are considered >3/yr. Doing the case with your attending in his office while you do through the case with your junior resident is a great experience. Seeing all diseases at different stages in different populations is extremely important. Less volume and more clinic at a resident run-VA/county facility may be less appealing to applicants, but I guarantee that residents with these institutions will be better prepared to manage their patients once they are dont with residency. Volume is important, but this is just one of the factors to consider.
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