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Posts: 3784 02/04/07 02:29:59 |
my notes from the interview day
- awesome lap/robot lab where you can practice, which you'll do a lot since you won't be doing much in the or - seems to have not finished the transition from ahlering as interim chair to clayman as chair - questionable peds experience - new medical center being built to be done very soon - didn't get the sense that the residents were that tight knit, which may or may not be a negative - interactions with faculty were strange, they did not seem interested in selling the program (with the exception of clayman himself and elspeth mcdougal) - acting attending chief year is an interesting idea to make up for the lack operative experience earlier on, but i'm not sure this makes up for things - clayman will get you where you want to go |
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Posts: 3784 02/04/07 06:12:29 |
Excellent program from what I saw. UCI has skyrocketed into national prominence in the past 5 years and is doing nothing but going up. Ahlering and Clayman have minimally invasive skills covered. Unfortunately, it seems with these two attendings, you will do a lot of what I saw aptly described in some other post; being on the bench for Michael Jordan. However, it seems like you do plenty with the other attendings, e.g. Ornstein, McDougal, etc. And the last year (PGY-6), although on the one hand seems superfluous, is a good idea in my opinion; and in light of the fact that all the other programs in west coast are 6 years, its kind of cool spending the last year not as chief, but rather as clinical instructor. One thing I did notice is that they have some kind of mini-residency program for urologists; I don't know how that affects the residents. Might take the focus away from them. Something to keep in mind. Another drawback is that orange county can be very expensive place to live. Also, traffic in that area is killer. However, I think it is definitely a great program, and I ranked it very highly.
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Posts: 3784 02/23/07 02:07:09 |
i wouldn't really call uci an excellent program, though i think the residents come out of there with adequate skills. it just seemed that the program wasn't up and running smoothly quite yet. there was a real deficit in the peds experience. the residents weren't all that up front about their operative experience and seemed to hedge a lot. i just felt like there were things underneath the surface that they weren't going to tell us about explicitly but weren't trying hard to cover it up either.
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Posts: 3784 03/20/07 00:16:44 |
I agree with the above posts. You get the sense that there is just something not right with the program. I met some ppl that did sub-I's there and did not go back for an interview. Maybe they did not get interviews, but who knows. I remember Clayman making very strong statements against open surgery. It felt like residents were not adequately trained in open cases. The residents seemed to get trained in robotic prostates before learning how to do open ones. I don't want to be in practice and have to call in another urologist when I need to convert my robotic case to an open one because I dont feel comfortable doing open cases.
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Dont bother applying here if you want to be a urologist
You will only hold the camera for four years, then treat prostatitis your clinical instructor year. There are no open cases. Attendings are super malignant especially clayman and mcdougal. There is no pediatrics here and the program will soon go on probation because of that Will not recommend this program to even the most desprate candidates.... |
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Posts: 3784 06/11/07 01:21:05 |
Thanks for the recommendation random internet guy. It's pretty great when people tear up programs; I always wonder who the heck these people are. Disgruntled med student?
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Let me address several of the comments that have come up from an inside perspective (I am a resident at UCI). 1) "seems to have not finished the transition from ahlering as interim chair to clayman as chair" [b]- what?? this transition was complete long ago. There are no better chairman than Clayman - he is not only a urolapgod and academician, but a huge advocate. He has finished building the program and has everyone in place he wants - 3 oncologists, 1 female/neuro, 1 infertility, 2 peds, 2 general.[/b] 2) "One thing I did notice is that they have some kind of mini-residency program for urologists; I don't know how that affects the residents. Might take the focus away from them. " [b] The miniresidency has no impact on the residents. this is something Dr McDougall and the fellows do with outside urologists.[/b] 3) "It felt like residents were not adequately trained in open cases. The residents seemed to get trained in robotic prostates before learning how to do open ones. I don't want to be in practice and have to call in another urologist when I need to convert my robotic case to an open one because I dont feel comfortable doing open cases." [b]There are plenty of open cases - as a 2nd yr you spend 6months on Kaiser doing a ton of open cases, as a 3rd yr you do several hundred open peds cases, and as a chief you are doing both robotic and open. The chief gets a lot of console time - the last chief sat at least 30 times on the console. The most recent graduate has done 70+ robotic cases already in private practice.[/b] 4) "there was a real deficit in the peds experience" I have had an amazing peds rotation. I have done 150 cases, most open. 40+ pyeloplasties, 50+ reimplants, tons of hernia/pexies etc. right now we rotate at childrens hospital OC, Kaiser and UCI. when Dr Khoury starts in 1 month it may change. Oh did I mention Dr Khoury is on the short list of world's best pediatric urologists - look him up. he runs the largest peds urology practice in the world at Sick Children's in Toronto and will be taking over our program. |
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